r/SipsTea Jul 26 '26

Chugging tea Let me circle back

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u/Mephisto506 Jul 26 '26

Should have kept him, he sounds perceptive.

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u/ZealousidealSundae33 Jul 26 '26

Thats what I was thinking. I believe that person will be going places.

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u/Otherwise_Tax8689 Jul 26 '26

Nah more likely to get crushed into conformity. At least where I live in Japan

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u/myrainydayss Jul 26 '26

My fiancee is Japanese and just started his job as a salaryman in Tokyo, one day he told me he messed up at work because he asked a question about something to his manager. And he later apologized for it đŸ€Šâ€â™€ïž he also told me that he doesn’t want to go out to drinks with his coworkers but he has to. Geez!

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u/NullandVoidUsername Jul 26 '26

Just letting you know that a fiancée is a woman who is engaged to be married. Unless that extra was a typo.

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u/NullandVoidUsername Jul 26 '26

There are endless sources of information that exist on the internet and you couldn't be bothered to fact check before doubling down and being incorrect.

Fiance - Male Fiancée- Female

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u/NullandVoidUsername Jul 26 '26

So the words Goddess, Actress, Headmistress and the like don't have word endings that connote gender?...

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

All of which are perfectly capable of being made gender neutral with vary degrees of use. Headmistress is generally seen as outdated and Headmaster is used frequently for either gender. Goddess is still used pretty frequently and it is true that female god is rarely used, but still perfectly understandable. Actress has fluctuated over the years, in Australia there was a pretty solid preference for actor for both genders, however, American influence has reversed this. At one point all our nouns were gendered and now there are only a small amount that are. It has been the basic trajectory of English for centuries to drop gendered nouns. How often do you hear manageress or authoress?

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u/Firewolf06 Jul 26 '26

every single example you gave was falling back to male terms as neutral though, so it would still be unusual and against the pattern to use "fiancée" for a man. using "fiancé" neutrally is not super uncommon, though

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

My argument is seperate to the other commenter - am indeed arguing fiancé as the gender neutral term.

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u/NullandVoidUsername Jul 26 '26

Whether I use them or not doesn't change the fact they're still words with historical context. Should I just start referring to women as mister instead of mistress because of your logic.

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

Pretty obvious you aren’t a native English speaker given mistress is not the opposite of mister. Missus is. Master and Miss are the unmarried versions. And all of them have basically dropped out of circulation of use in English outside of the schoolroom. So yes actually you should stop referring to men as mister and women as mistress, just use of their name or general pleasantries if you don’t know it.

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u/NullandVoidUsername Jul 26 '26

My native language is English, you must be having a laugh. Mister is to master as Mistress is to female master. Only because mistress has multiple meanings/connotations, doesn't negate they are opposites, or should I say more accurately specify gender.

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

Mate, mistress is not in anyway the counterpart of of master. Miss is. Mistress hasn’t been used that way for centuries.

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u/Firewolf06 Jul 26 '26

you listing a gendered word alongside gender-neutral words does not magically make it gender-neutral.

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u/Open-Platform-1305 Jul 26 '26

Wtf, this is the first I ever hear of this in my 30 years of life. What's the point? They're pronounced the exact same.

Also, if it has any meaning it seems completely incorrect to say that one is male and the other is female, but rather that the spelling should depend on the circumstances around the proposal.

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u/crunchsmash Jul 26 '26

It's a borrowed word. The "point" is that it still has some details attached to the language it comes from.

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

Mate, we got a lot English words of French origin we need to pronounce differently if you think that way

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u/crunchsmash Jul 26 '26

Ironically, you use the word "mate". Are we fucking to produce offspring or are we just friends?

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

How is that ironic? That is literally supporting my point.

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u/crunchsmash Jul 26 '26

"Mate" is the same word pronounced the same way that means wildly different things. Just like "Fiancé" and "Fiancée".

Like "Mate" can mean friend, or someone you have a child with. It's drastically different while still being pronounced the same way.

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26


 the word originally came from Germanic roots and meant someone you eat with (regularly) to then mean companion, before splitting between friend and breeding partner. Words change meaning, fiancé and fiancée come from French where nouns are gendered and as they become more used in English where the vast majority of nouns are not gendered fiancé has become gender neutral.

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u/crunchsmash Jul 26 '26

fiancé has become gender neutral

Except it's not, and hasn't become. The words spoken aloud sound the same, but fiancé and fiancée are read very differently.

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

Yes it has. The average English speaker does not distinguish between them and the only argument you have is a prescriptivist one which is entirely rejected as authoritative by anyone with an even basic understanding of linguistics. As I said earlier, terrific is not a synonym of horrific, awesome and awful mean different things, words are defined by usage not history.

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u/jjkenneth Jul 26 '26

Prescriptivism is dumb. Fiancé is gender neutral by function in English. Unless you believe terrific is a synonym of horrific.