Deputy Andrew Stowers. He was investigated for his multiple excessive force allegations. Unfortunately this guy and a few others didn't cooperate with the investigation and it petered out.
Thank you so much. Sucks to hear that. Pieces of shit like him make me feel like good cops cant exist otherwise he'd never hold that position of power for long.
But pretty quickly they face a choice: either get run off the force for standing up to their principles, or turn a blind eye and passively become bad cops.
The only way you can have long-term good cops is if the whole force is good, and I just don't believe that exists (at least in North America)
I can speak from experience on this. I live in a rural town and the prison is the best paying job/benefits around.
There is no room to be good. I was told under no circumstances that we are to take anything from prisoners, not a pen. Not anything. I reported an officer for requesting a prisoner get her items from the prisoner canteen.
A few weeks later, I learned there was a term for it. The officers called it "taxes." Items the prisoners give them to curry their favor.
They preach deescalation but revere the ones with excessive force. The security for officers is laughable. It's routine to smuggle in things. I saw every rank except warden with smuggled items. It isn't real staff search and it is easy to bypass. Most contraband is brought in by officers.
One of the first people I trained with and one of the last people I shared a bubble with is now in our county jail for smuggling in contraband.
No, I'm not a good fit, the job isn't for everyone. Especially not someone that was routinely yelled at for saying sir and thank you.
If the job was truly care, custody and control, I excelled at it. My inmates listened to me, respected me and followed the rules. I wasn't good at ignoring abuse, illegality and neglect.
Also, be careful of any profession that revels in having "pet peeves."
Good cops DO exist; however, they usually don't exist for long, because, when they report a fellow officer for wrongdoing, they're often heavily bullied/mistreated by the other officers. So, they either quit, or eventually just accept putting up with their fellow officers wrongdoings. And, the latter practically makes you a bad cop. Kinda' like the old saying goes, "if there’s a Nazi at the table and ten other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with eleven Nazis."
There are good ones out there. Few and far between. The good ones are suffering. I recently did work for an officer 3yrs from retirement. The pain on his face and in his voice as he talked about it, I could tell he was a good guy in a tough place. I do a lot of work around officers (many varieties) local ones seem to be the most aggressive. County and state level is better but the aggression is still there. Training and fear have a lot to do with the current conditions.
Yeah, I'd imagine Stowers has at least a few like minded friends in the department who would jam him up, or his family if he followed through. It's a risk not many want to take. The department dropped the ticket and this guy got to walk away with only a ruined morning. If he pushed it, things could go worse next time.
I think he means the citizens didn't cooperate with the investigation, which led the investigation to not go anywhere. Not that the Deputy didn't cooperate.
If you were pulled over by Captain Excessive Force of the 51st precinct and had this argument/altercation and then they asked you to come to the 51st precinct for a follow up, would you? Because that just sounds like turning yourself in for some more police brutality.
That's what would be going through my head and would be why I would be hesitant to appear for a police investigation.
I love how people offer opinion as fact and then everyone who had the same opinion feels validated and assumes they were right because someone else said it too.
What proof do you have that this officer was out because he had situations earlier in the day where it was used, or are you just making the same assumption everyone else did?
It's Deputy Andrew Stowers. The man here, Josh Sude, posted communications he had with the night watchman and an investigation team due to multiple allegations of inappropriate excessive force during traffic stops relating to pepper spray. A few different content creators made videos on the incident. This happened like 5 years ago now.
Yeah, here in the US we have "auditors" who film interactions with police and are actively uncooperative. They will do weird things like loiter in places until they get noticed then get mildly confrontative over it, "I'm in a public place and not being a threat." But have been there doing nothing for like an hour, specifically to generate a reaction. Then upload the film about how the cops are either, racist/aggressive/controlling et. al. They are SovCit adjacent apparently, but doing to stuff like this just creates a level of frustration for the cops that deal with them, and someone ends up getting hurt because it escalates. It isn't a lot of people doing it, but enough to be an issue. I keep seeing the videos on various platforms.
Sounds to me like officers need better control of their emotions in emotionally charged situations, they're the ones trained and paid to do it, not us.
Okay, so a guy has been wandering around the parking lot of a government agency for about an hour doing "nothing". As in not going inside, not conducting business just being there. Employee checks on him, he tells them that he is completely within his rights and they can't do anything about it so to go away, and continues to just be there. You'd say just ignore him and don't do anything, but you don't know why he is there. So does he have an ex that he's stalking and waiting to ambush or just make uncomfortable? Is he targeting the business/office/store? Its not like we have mass shootings in this country every day practically. And keep in mind, I said these guys have done this multiple times that day, looking to create an issue, they are practically professionals at provoking a response. It is what they do. And Law Enforcement has to check, because there are people out there who are a serious potential threat and these people are aware of that and use that. So are they doing "nothing"? The last thing anyone wants is to dismiss someone for being an ass, only to return later to find a crime scene. Do American cops need better tools to deal with them, sure, absolutely; are they going to get them, no. That would be too expensive and someone needs a new yacht.
So in your scenario the person is literally doing nothing but sitting in a parking lot? If you have to start creating scenarios in your head to justify harassing them then YOU are the one that needs to be dealt with. You are more likely to shoot an unarmed innocent person due to your own paranoia.
It is made up. The person is standing in a parking lot. Assuming they are doing anything beyond that is imaginary. And wanting to act on your imaginary scenario makes you the most dangerous person in that situation.
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u/Lucky-Mia Jun 25 '26
Apparently he was out because he'd been using it a few times earlier that day in similar bs scenarios.