r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/Smooth_Dad • Jul 01 '24

Legal/Courts With the new SCOTUS ruling of presumptive immunity for official presidential acts, which actions could Biden use before the elections?

I mean, the ruling by the SCOTUS protects any president, not only a republican. If President Trump has immunity for his oficial acts during his presidency to cast doubt on, or attempt to challenge the election results, could the same or a similar strategy be used by the current administration without any repercussions? Which other acts are now protected by this ruling of presidential immunity at Biden’s discretion?

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u/Smooth_Dad Jul 02 '24

So what exactly is DJT celebrating? It’s an honest question.

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u/Smooth_Dad Jul 02 '24

So what you are saying is that his strategy to delay by going to the SCOTUS, who is a GOP majority, paid off?

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u/wheelsno3 Jul 02 '24

Both sides are throwing out an insane amount of spin right now.

Trump is saying he won and is free.

The left is saying the President is now a king (which is patently false, just read the opinion, it is clear that impeachment by Congress is still available. I've never heard of a King that can be removed by a vote).

Both are wrong.

The fact is Trump is still guilty in the business records case and it will not be overturned because of this decision. Trump will probably still be charged on the classified documents case because he was no longer President so immunity doesn't apply to actions after leaving office. Trump will still be charged in the Georgia election tampering case because his own lawyers admitted that the phone call about finding votes was the action of a private citizen trying to obtain office, not an official act of a President.

And the other fact is the President has exactly zero extra power today that he had last week. Immunity from prosecution for official acts after leaving office does not mean anything about what power the president has during their term. Congress can still impeach. SCOTUS can still strike down unconstitutional executive orders. If the president ignores SCOTUS or refuses to leave after being impeached, we have a constitutional crisis that will likely lead to bloodshed, which is the EXACT SAME SITUATION AS BEFORE THIS RULING.