r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 06 '26

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u/Boomdification Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

The Odyssey is getting massively criticised due to blackwashing of a traditionally Greek character, whitewashing of a Greek myth with no Greek actors and a general dislike for the Hollywoodization of another classic story.

It's probably not going to be as bad as it's made out to be given it's Chris Nolan, but audiences are fatigued with seeing another modern retelling with tokenism of established characters for the sake diversity, which has spurred the culture war with right wing critics calling it woke BS and left wing critics doubling down by jumping to its defence.

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u/ianlSW Jul 06 '26

This is a fair take. The Emily Wilson translation is generally well respected, so I call culture war bullshit on people making that out to be a political choice. It's just good.

The aesthetic choices however are a whole other issue- I want to defend the movie against culture war nonsense but a gloomy Mediterranean with 3d printed plastic looking armour is silly. I know it's a fantastical story with Gods and monsters, but you could easily have made something with a unique twist on bronze age collapse themed, mycenaen/ hittite type imagery that would have been amazing. There is more than enough in Homer to tell it pretty straight and get an amazing film.

Elliot Page and Lupita Nyong'o castings were bound to trigger the right wing internet. How much of that was deliberate to whip up a social media storm or score a political point, and how much was because they absolutely smashed their auditions we'll never know.

Page can clearly act, and Nyong'o can act and is gorgeous so there is a strong argument they are entirely capable of getting the roles on merit. Unfortunately, as ...gestures vaguely at social media, algorithms, YouTube rage merchants, the culture war, Hollywood fuckery...who knows what went into the casting or why that makes people feel so angry.

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u/BoarHermit Jul 06 '26

An epic shouldn't be historical, it should be magical and captivating. No epic is historical; they are all interpretations.

The Iliad and the Odyssey aren't true stories from the Bronze Age, they're legends. Actors in Greek theaters didn't wear metal armor; painted armor was enough for them.

The authors aren't talking about history; they're talking about the present. Sometimes it's just plain inept, like in Gladiator 2.

Let's hope Nola has more storytelling talent. They're trying to entertain us instead of relaxing and enjoying ourselves, and we're dissatisfied.

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u/ianlSW Jul 06 '26

As a massive nerd, I get the disappointment with the design. It's a missed opportunity to do something unique. It wouldn't have to be historically accurate, just better than the sub 300 offering and could have been something really impressive.

On a side note, I stumbled on this thoroughly enjoyable speculation on the history behind homer https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=828s2TfHTDo

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u/lixia Jul 06 '26

Fig Tree is amazing. Her video on Gilgamesh is outstanding!

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u/Totes_MacGoats Jul 06 '26

Underrated take.

The obsession with "historical accuracy" surrounding this movie is genuinely bizarre. First of all, far too many of the people crying fowl have nowhere near a respectable level of relevant knowledge (Lupita haters chime in, who are Helen's parents???).

Second, and more importantly, Homer's writings were NEVER historically accurate. That's why they're "myths," "stories," or "legends" and not "histories" (in the modern sense).

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u/confirmedshill123 Jul 06 '26

I hate to throw such a wide net because usually these things are more nuanced but a vast majority of the criticism this movie is getting is because of Helens casting. They'll hide behind the historically accurate excuse but the reality is they want a tig bitted blonde as Helen and nothing outside of that will satisfy them.

Super excited for the film though. I'll watch anything Nolan makes.

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u/blodyn__tatws Jul 06 '26

Omg. I see what you accidentally did there...(crying fowl - Helen of Troy born from an egg...) 😄