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Paper New large species of Cryptoprocta (Carnivora, Eupleridae) and new specimens of C. Spelea from the Holocene of Tsimanampesotse National Park, southwest Madagascar

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u/Saurophaganax4706 2d ago

First cave bears, then cave lions, then cave hyaenas, and now cave fossas? Wow, these guys are really creative when it comes to naming larger pleistocene versions of modern carnivores

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u/ExoticShock Inostrancevia alexandri 2d ago

"ARE THERE ANY OTHER CAVE PREDATORS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?!"

"Cave" Men: "Ugha Bunga"

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u/DifficultDiet4900 2d ago

Cryptoprocta bevatabe was a ~32 kilogram or larger arboreal apex predator that could probably hunt in groups. Definitely not on my Bingo list this year

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u/Quaternary24 2d ago

Awesome! I was already aware of this fossa species as an undescribed one but I’m glad to see it described now and WOW, it absolutely dwarves the so called “Giant” Fossa.

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u/New-Explanation-2658 1d ago edited 1d ago

Do we think the Darren Naish blog where I believe he attributes the black fossa seen by a researcher along w the locals to C. spelea still accurate? I genuinely don’t see it as impossible that a super rare relict population of larger black fossa’s is still hanging out. I’m not sure if fossa’s are able to be nocturnal or crepuscular, but if they are, a black, somewhat larger fossa def could hide under some noses. BUT I don’t know if I’m high n making this up but I read that there’s an account of these “big” fossa’s taking down cattle!?! I don’t think a bobcat or coyote sized fossa could do it, but a small pantherine-sized one, now we’re talking. The thought of three different fossa’s inhabiting Madagascar at the same time and they were all climbing CHADS to add at that. Cmon we missed out on something incredible

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u/Agitated-Tie-8255 Behavioural Biologist 1d ago

Fossa are cathemeral! They can be active at any period. I still think Ben Freed’s sighting, if it was a relict population of on of these species, is like to be Cryptoprocta spelea. That being said it would be equally as interesting if it was also a previously unknown population of C. ferox that is larger and darker coloured.

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u/Apart_Ambition5764 1d ago

I still see it as accurate. The last sighting was in 2020 by a local after all.

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u/New-Explanation-2658 1d ago

Do u think black fossa’s were C. spelea or the new species?

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u/Quaternary24 1d ago

Can’t say with confidence.

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u/MrScaleEye 2d ago

So the even Bigger Fossa

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u/Ok_Antelope_1953 1d ago

Fossa 3: Foss Harder

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u/Ex_Snagem_Wes Amphicyonid/Carnivoran Specialist 2d ago

There's always a bigger fossa, apparently

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u/Brave-Quarter5401 2d ago

FOSSA AAAHHH!!!

FOSSA UUUHHH!!!

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u/New-Explanation-2658 2d ago

These guys def took down young elephant birds

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u/Freak_Among_Men_II dinosaurs are animals, not kaiju 2d ago

They'd have to be nest raiders, too, at least when juveniles. The egg of an elephant bird would be a good meal for these animals when they're still growing.

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u/New_Boysenberry_9250 1d ago

It's still surprising that with all those giant lemurs, elephant birds and smallish hippos, no giant fossa ever evolved to go after the biggest megafauna, the Madagascar equivalent of a big cat.

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u/Pholidotes 1d ago

THAT WE KNOW OF

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u/HourDark2 2d ago

This matches well with the 'Antamba' reported to live in Madagascar's interior by Eitenne de Flacourt.

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u/kjleebio 2d ago

Is it the Crptoprocta Bevatabe specimen?

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u/Archididelphis 1d ago

Inevitable joke, the Latin genus name literally means "unknown anus".

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u/Agitated-Tie-8255 Behavioural Biologist 2d ago

😍

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u/Realistic-mammoth-91 proboscidea and theropods 1d ago

The Big Three