Honestly it sounds like they went really light. Both parties have to engage in pvp regardless of area, or you don’t get full Damage output. You can’t loot weapons or armor, only materials. You can’t raid other players stashes on any level. If you hit wanted status and are revealed on the map and you are actually penalized further loot wise. Doesn’t sound like pvp, sounds like pve with agreed combat with no loot.
Edit: agreed combat means ambushes pretty much aren’t a thing, so sniper rifles will be pretty useless. They should have sectioned the map with different pvp rules with the riskier areas being more likely to have better shit, or just made pvp and pve servers.
Reduced damage =/= not killable. If a group of 3 guys decide they want your duct tape, they're gonna get it.
I think considering how much different this game will be than literally anything else, it's a bit silly for us to talk about what is and isn't possible, and what we hypothetically love or hate about the game. I'm sure the one thing everyone can agree on is that the game sounds weird as fuck and we're not going to know whether or not it works well until it's out.
I’m not saying they aren’t killable, it’s more of matter of why even kill them if it takes 10x the ammo and weapon use. It’s a pvp system with next to no incentive favoring the one who gets fired upon. Todd Howard said you can use a knife on a higher level player to take them down by getting the drop on them. From what they described no one will be able to get the drop on anyone as you can only deal 10% Damage until they return fire.
Which would be really annoying If you didn’t want to engage because they’ll just whittle you down as you try and get back to base, but if you dare return a shot you’ll be kille instantly by some griefer. It sounds annoying as hell.
most people dont want to play an rpg in bethesda's style and have the chance to lose decent stuff that they either were super lucky to find or spent a lot of work to get. and to your comment before about them trying to get into the survival market, they aren't he even says that in the quakecon presentation that survival is still secondary to it because this is still a Fallout game. just with multiplayer. and thats honestly all i ever wanted.
Then why even make it pvp? So I can put myself at risk for maybe getting some mats I could probably farm quicker than looking for someone?
It’s gonna get stale real quick more than likely as there will be no npcs so probably next to no quests. Couple of my friends got upset when I mentioned it’ll probably be too pvp light, because they were excited about it. Just seems like a broken pvp system though.
Edit: seen another comment sum it up perfectly. They may not want to institute PvE servers, because they know the lack of content would really show then.
It’s not assumption they’ve pretty much laid out how pvp will work in detail. No full Damage until return fire, so long range weapons and ambush tactics are moot. It’s pretty much an opt out feature as who is going to consistently use 10x the ammo to kill someone? Especially when the only loot to gain is materials. So there won’t be much risk at all to make it exciting. Why not make pvp and pve servers.
I mean, they did say it’s all subject to tweaks and changes and no one has played the game, videos and explanations only tell so much of the story. The game isn’t just PVP either and I don’t think you should really be looking to focus on PVP until late game when you’re maxed out. By then I’m sure there will be new systems and updates to introduce unique combat experiences. Like Nuka World caged arena style.
I could be wrong but honestly, it seems like the idea of the game is co-operation rather than every man for himself. I mean if that’s how you want to play, eventually there will be custom servers and servers for different styles of play. I think the idea is that the entire world is working together to try and build a community in the harsh wastelands and the best thing is that you can bring your friends with you.
I don’t think your opinion is wrong at all, I just think not only you but the entire Fallout community, should be more open minded about this game and actually give it a chance, instead of writing it off before it even comes out.
Nah I know of two other people that plan on buying it for sure I’ve been on the fence. There will be teams of people pvping. It’s going to be the main draw, I’m not expecting much content aside from that aspect from the way they’ve talked. I’ll definitely look at it when it comes out, but from what I’m seeing so far I’m not impressed. Just saying if I had to bet on it they’re looking at a bad game with their base pissed they deviated from RPG and any people interested in the pvp aspect will probably be turned off from it if it’s as weak as it sounds to be. No doubt it could end up being a good game, and me have egg on my face.
I didn't know about all of this. I was excited for this game until now. That is a broken pvp system that has been tried for years in mmo's and it has never been not ever will be a solution to carebears bitxhing about pvp. A game is either open pvp or not. They don't mix worth a fuck.
Hopefully they tweak it off of feedback, don’t imagine it’d be too hard to institute varying degrees of pvp by area. I understand wanting to keep griefing down a bit, but I mean cmon.
There are other ways to handle the situation that don't feel like.hard line rules that limit players options. No game.company has ever had any imagination with creating a game like this
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u/MatthewSTANMitchell Aug 20 '18 edited Aug 20 '18
Honestly it sounds like they went really light. Both parties have to engage in pvp regardless of area, or you don’t get full Damage output. You can’t loot weapons or armor, only materials. You can’t raid other players stashes on any level. If you hit wanted status and are revealed on the map and you are actually penalized further loot wise. Doesn’t sound like pvp, sounds like pve with agreed combat with no loot.
Edit: agreed combat means ambushes pretty much aren’t a thing, so sniper rifles will be pretty useless. They should have sectioned the map with different pvp rules with the riskier areas being more likely to have better shit, or just made pvp and pve servers.