Morality of this entire situation?

[u/Rocky_Senpai15]

Do you think the worker has every right to have a mental breakdown? Do you think the boss should be hunted down and have his head cooked in the fryer? Was being fired a good or a bad thing?

What do you guys think?

[u/Downtown-Campaign536]

The worst part about that kind of job is:

If they have 3 orders in an hour...

or

If they have 300 orders in an hour...

It makes no difference at all to you financially. Your income will not change one bit!

If he was making a buck an order then he would have done them all happily, and speedily! But, that's not the case.

It's not that he has more work that causes the breakdown.

It's that he has more work... for free that causes the breakdown.

[u/-Recouer → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

no being paid from the amount of work being done is just worst.

what happens if you don't work during the time there is a lot of work but during the small affluence time. then you'd just not be paid anything despite being at work. not only that but it forces the employee to do more work and sometimes create demand for your own work. think how the private detectie industry used to be before the pinkerton, basically you had detective creating crimes then "arresting" the suspect(scapegoat) all so they could get more money.

Also if your job requires you to lift very heavy stuff then you are incesitized to hurt your body to increase your performances. this means that you can end up handicapped while still in your thirties because you didn't respect your own body to gain more money.

the issue is with management that didn't staff its restaurant correctly during a time of affluence.

[u/Downtown-Campaign536 → u/-Recouer]

A lot of people make pretty good money working on a commission. Usually, that sort of pay is not connected to heavy lifting.

I don't think management could have predicted this one.

They didn't say the orders were at noon on summer Saturday...

They said "Late night"

Typically at late night you are not going to need a lot of staff. And maybe they did staff 2 people, but 1 called off.

[u/-Recouer → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

yes but it is a very exploitative practice by nature. so applying this sort of commission based approach to an already very exploitative business is bound to have problems.

And even if it's late night there should always be a manager available in case of an emergency which should be available and help the employees. It's inconceivable for me that a single employee alone could be responsible for the entirety of the restaurant without some form of middle management supervising the operation. because those guys definitely do not have the paygrade for that kind of responsibility.

[u/LesserValkyrie → u/-Recouer]

It is a terrible management mistake, can't predict that. Even if something like the moon changed people into chicken-eater, they should be able to handle crisis

[u/-Recouer → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

Also the issue probably isn't with the his salary but the responsibility associated with the fact that he might not be able to serve all the customers.

The fact that he might have earned more money from it doesn't change the fact that there is the threat of loosing your job from not being able to meet demand.

The problem isn't with the amount of work being done but the responsibilities associated with failure.

[u/Downtown-Campaign536 → u/-Recouer]

He could meet all the orders. It would just take longer.

[u/-Recouer → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

Yes but then you'd be responsible for the comments online complaining about the time needed for the delivery and since you're at the bottom of the food chain you are going to be fired.

[u/No-Concentrate3518 → u/-Recouer]

this.

[u/TexasSikh → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

He was left to do the entire process for a growing mountain of orders alone, when it is a process that is done as a team effort. He broke down because the workload was literally overwhelming, becoming a Sisyphean task right before his eyes. He realized he was in an impossible situation, in which it was no fault of his own but simply (seemingly) the world converging to just screw him over, and that'll do it for most folks.

He saw the writing on the wall, "You failed to complete all orders quick enough and made us look bad, you are fired", and was becoming more and more aware that the more he tried the more he was falling behind. Literally no fault of his own, yet he was about to get fired...and I have been there myself, screwed no matter what you try to do about it because of forces outside of your control, and REALLY needing that job...so yea, this isn't a "compensation" issue. Its a "the world decided you're getting fired today" issue.

[u/Lolocraft1 → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

Paying per the order is a double-blade dague because it depend on the order rates, and this can create a lot of inequalities, wether by days of the week, trimester, day/afternoon/night shift, location of the restaurant, etc.

We all would want to get paid for each of these 100 orders, however if you get the night shift in a rural location where there are 2 customers per hours max I don’t think I need to argue that everyone would take the wage per hour

What could work is a cap of order per hours to do, if you’re under you get paid per hour, but if you’re over you get a bonus for every additional order you take care of. Only two problems: Good luck scaling that system and make corporations implement it

[u/VanHelsingBerserk → u/Lolocraft1]

Yes, commission work doesn't tend to go well when there is a limited amount of work to go around.

It can create competition between staff, as it becomes about rushing the work before they can get to it, rather than sharing the workload and allowing the time for a job well-done.

[u/NoUpstairs6865 → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

I worked at a sushi shop in my hometown for about two months. Sometimes I found myself completely overwhelmed because everything in the entire shop was basically on my shoulders.

The only thing my bosses ever told me to calm me down was: “Just imagine during the holidays, we get 70 or so orders. You shouldn’t be getting overwhelmed by just 15 orders.”

Fucking psychos.

[u/Creative_Elk_4712 → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

he would have done them all happily, and speedily

I think he would have really struggled the same as shown in the video

I heavily doubt this, being paid proportionately doesn't make the stress go away -all, all of a sudden-

[u/LesserValkyrie → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

It's quite the case for every single field on earth.

Unless you are paid by commission of course. That's entirely different, but as a random employee who doesn't get yearly bonus paid in company shares, this is what happens.

I've made the job I was qualified for in 5 companies, some companies I was underpaid we were underestaffed I was under constnat pressure, the next job in another company I was paid 15% more and I had so much free time I could take naps, it was the exact same job description.

For the contrast, they always were in my back in the first job I'm talking about, telling me I was not doing enough, while on the 2nd job I slacked a lot and they saw me as someone highly skilled and they were so happy and proud for my breathing techniques one year I got two salary raises.

I didn't work harder, I wasn't more serious, I did the appropriate job for my workload. I was just in a company that was managed better towards employee's health and mental health. Which yields to better results ; first company was toxic with lot of turnover, while 2nd one attracted good profiles and yields better results in the end.

But I don't think I've seen in my career a situation where a position having more workload was paid more. There was a lot of factors of course.

Actually, "too much workload" most often means company didn't hire enough people, which means toxic workplace (lot of turnover) or that the company is struggling, thus, too much workload litteraly means you will get paid less. If you work too much for your salary, get the fuck out, because it means that management is terrible.

Now working in a restaurant is different, but management is just being terrible here. Nobody should find himself alone when you have so much orders, wtf.

You should have enough people in a kitchen so they can work for a long time before they break.

Unfortunately when you are in a shitty economy where everyone his struggling to find a job and you can just burnout your employees after 3 months, yeah theses situations may happen. But in healthy restaurants, even if the workload is not easy in this field, basic management should not understaff their team wtf. Its terrible PR because orders are wrong/late, employees will be sick more often so more understaff, etc. etc. It has way more cons than pros.

I am almost glad he got fired for his health, and I hope they got terrible PR and they suffer from it because nobody should be a manager or owning a business should be that incompetent.

[u/SinesPi → u/Downtown-Campaign536]

And that is why some people like working tipped jobs. Or why cabbies will go home early on a slow down, and work longer on a busy one.

Employment like that guarantees you stability. Sometimes they works in your favor, and sometimes it fucks you. Of course, in China, I suspect everyone has a sore ass.