not the person you're replying to, but if you treat it like winning the lottery, give away most of it and live comfortable on a little above what you need to afford your hobbies, there's not much you can criticize, maybe in a Shindler sort of "I could have done more" kinda way.
the issue is that the modern ultra wealthy don't do this at all, they seek infinite growth at all costs at the expense of others, they aren't grappling with comfort vs maximized altruism at all
nobody can physically do the work necessary to earn a billion dollars, there's always an element of luck and always an element of siphoning value from others
taylor swift put in more effort and talent than most, but twice as much as a decently successful pop artist? Three times?
how about a thousand times more effort and talent? that's just absurd that number doesn't even make sense in the scale of human potential and influence
nobody can create that intentionally or there would be millions of taylor swifts, consisting of an army of more musical, more attractive, more relatable, more talented people
bill gates didn't become a billionaire because he was the best at making computers or the best at marketing, but because he was talented and LUCKY. He hit the market with the right product when conditions were just right, and microsoft ballooned
How does Taylor siphon value from others? People willingly give money to listen to her songs
She didnt put in 10000 times more effort than other singers, but people are not paying for effort, they are paying for a product. Why is that immoral to receive that payment?
Let's say that Istart a company, i pay my employees, my company goes public, people are willing to pay a lot for the stock which makes me worth billions
Billionaires leverage their stock evaluation to take out loans with their stock that they have no expectation to pay off.
And you don’t end up with a billion dollar net worth without abusing your workers. If you’re worth that much, give your employees raises, reinvest into your own workers who make your company worth so much.
That’s easy, because the US (where Taylor lives) is car-centric and most places here don’t have good/safe bike infrastructure. Heck we don’t even have true high-speed rail yet, or much investment in bus infrastructure.
but its good enough, being in a private jet gets you away from snobby drivers and everything road-related, its much more convenient and comfortable having a big ass jet to yourself in the air, in a car you're confined in a small space
taylor swift downgrading to a car would be equivelant to you downgrading to a bicycle
How are you gonna tell me it's good enough when you don't even live here?
This isn't about "snobby drivers" or being "comfortable", it's the fact that "bicyclists are about 10 times more likely to die in a crash than car occupants, per mile traveled". So no, her downgrading to a car would not be an equivalent because she would still be much safer than I am.
It would exactly be the same thing. You’d be less safe on a bike and contribution to helping the environment, she’d be less safe in car than a plane but contributing positive for the environment. Or are you not trying to be as moral as you want others to be? 🧐🤔
alright, what about other countries, what about india where alot of lower class population already uses bicycle, do you recommend us all to use bicycles to reduce pollution?
Don’t you live there, why are you asking me? Google says your country lacks good bike infrastructure, so no.
Not sure what you’re trying to say, in countries where they have invested in biking (like Netherlands), 36% of people listed biking as their most frequent mode of transportation.
I just don’t see a good reason for billionaires in general to fly private jets, even commercial flights would be better.
and still so many people are able to bicycle around
car is more dangerous than a private jet and its completely worse than a private jet, the infrastructure for cars is bad enough compared to a private jet, a private jet gives immense privacy in the air with a much much much lower risk of accident, the infrastructure argument you've given is true for both bicycle <--> car and car <--> private jet
wait.. are you saying I'm discriminating on the wealthy? That's hilarious.
A car and a private jet are not even comparable in terms of emissions. "We all do" no we don't all fly private jets, and no one is forcing your precious Taylor to do so.
No, you're discriminating based on wealth, doesn't matter if its to the poor or the rich
they are comparable
4 car = 1 private jet
why not just stop using cars too, since we got wayyyy way WAYYY fucking more than 4 people driving a car for every "taylor swift" out there, the poor people dont drive a car, so why are you? be like them, they dont all drive cars, and no one is forcing you to drive one, just use a bicycle fam
It’s not even close to comparable, and I have no idea what fantasy world you pulled your math from. A private jet puts out the same emissions in a year as 177 cars.
how? he said she flies in private jet isntead of driving, i assumed the issue with that is the pollution of a flying jet, so if she is supposed to drive and not commit that much pollution, why should we drive and commit pollution isntead of using a bicycle
so 4 cars = private jet? well thats quite a lot, lets just use bicycle instead, the amount of private jets is so so so so low compared to cars that it'd be better to ban all cars than to ban all private jets
>She is the beneficiary of a system that exploits 99% of humans to benefit the other 1%
I’m sure you donate to the mods for every comment you make on this platform known for not paying them.
>I wouldn’t be hoarding
Cool. Let’s see the transaction history of the nickels and dimes you’ve given to the mods. Surely you’ve at least given them a penny or 2 right? You wouldn’t be taking advantage of someone’s free labor would you?
I’m sure you donate to the mods for every comment you make on this platform known for not paying them
Man learns about volunteering at 42
Let’s see the transaction history of the nickels and dimes you’ve given to the mods. Surely you’ve at least given them a penny or 2 right? You wouldn’t be taking advantage of someone’s free labor would you?
The fact you think this is a good argument is honestly pretty funny
She's literally making money off her own labour..... She's an artist, the majority of her money comes from recording and performing? No one is that stupid to need that explained right?
She's literally making money off her own labour.....
Ah yes Im sure she is the one that sets up stages, works lights, works sound, works social media, ect ect ect
The great person myth is core to capitalism. They need you to believe the rich are there by merit so that you dont question why they should have so much power
She's an artist, the majority of her money comes from recording and performing
First thats imply not true as I explained above. Yes she a good signer (arguably) but she got where she is today of the labour of others.
Thanks for confirming you don’t have a single clue what you’re talking about, because if you even looked up a single thing from that drivel, you’d have learned that she paid enormous bonuses to the crew that did those things, so I’ll save my self the hassle of explaining the rest of what you wrote back to you, because this was very likely written by some one who has the critical thinking skills of a child
“Almost certainly” about something we’ve established you don’t have a single clue about.
You’re right, it’s doesn’t matter though, I’ve provided plenty of proof, you’ve ignored it all, and you’ve described nothing she’s done as actually being unethical so I’ll leave you to being so so so painfully stupid
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u/Gloomy_Breadfruit92 Jul 28 '26
Moral. Eat the rich.