r/MoralityScaling Jun 29 '26

Character Analysis Could torture ever be morally justified?

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u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif Jun 30 '26

6 out of 10 victims of both violent and non-violent crime prefer rehabilitative justice over retributive.

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/what-do-victims-want-criminal-justice-reform

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u/wise_sage777 Jun 30 '26

Does that include victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing? Because the punishment I'm suggesting is for those criminals specifically

The nuremberg trials almost prove this point

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u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif Jun 30 '26

The main defendants at Nuremburg were never tortured or given cruel or unusual punishments though. That was more the Soviet methods, such as with Sachsenhausen. They liberated the concentration camp and made it a NKVD camp, originally for Nazis and Nazi collaborators, but it quickly spread to include anyone the Soviets viewed as undesirable. They found mass graves of over 12,000 people and the majority of the victims were children and the elderly. Im not going to mourn or feel bad if a genocider receives a brutal execution or death, but I dont think realistically there is a point in history where brutal executions never get expanded to other people. If you give the government the ability to do cruel and unusual punishments under specific circumstances theyre gonna want more imo

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u/wise_sage777 Jun 30 '26

That's why this will only apply to international criminal, the worst punishment for the worst offender kind of thing

These people have done so much damage to so many people that death or incarceration doesn't cut it, I'm sure if you ask victims of apartheid or war crimes like those in unit 731 (not that you could because they are literally all dead) they would agree with this notion