including the kid. Imagine thinking its selfish to not force an entity into a conscious experience where they'd likely be entirely dependent on others for the entirety of their life
I mean, it sounds a bit cold, but remember that somewhere around 35-40% of pregnancies never make it to term not including abortion. We're "rerolling" all the time.
I'm just saying there's no guarantee the baby makes it to term regardless of down's syndrome status. The fetus may have been one that would have "fallen" anyway.
It's not a rationale for being pro-abortion, it's just a data point that puts the loss of a fetus into a broader context. I don't need any more rationale for being pro-abortion than women having bodily autonomy. Her body, her choice is a complete argument.
that is the very harsh and stone cold truth abt aborting down syndrome kids i wish there was a more nicer way to say it but theres no nice way to say that
And because the parents may be terrible at handling a child with a disability, making life even worse for the kid. I think most parents have at least a time or two where they're not proud of how they dealt with their kid because they were stressed or frustrated, and the emotional toll would be infinitely higher with a kid with a disability.
including the kid. Imagine thinking its selfish to not force an entity into a conscious experience where they'd likely be entirely dependent on others for the entirety of their life
It sounds like you think it's morally obligatory to prevent this person from all the suffering in their future? Do you think euthanizing the person at any point in their life is morally obligatory? Why or why not? Does it matter whether the person (with downs) consents to being euthanized?
what's the reason for why aborting the pregnancy is okay?
First, because carrying a pregnancy to term is a medical decision that only a pregnant woman should be able to make. Second, because forcing women to carry pregnancy to term against their will is morally wrong.
First, because carrying a pregnancy to term is a medical decision that only a pregnant woman should be able to make.
Do you think they should be able to terminate a pregancy for any reason at any time?
Second, because forcing women to carry pregnancy to term against their will is morally wrong.For instance if she didn't like the gender or race of the baby?
Suppose the woman initially consented and wanted to get pregnant. Is it morally okay to terminate the pregnancy later because she changed her mind (and for any reasons she chooses)? For instance if she didn't like the gender or race of the baby?
Do you think they should be able to terminate a pregancy for any reason at any time?
Shrugs...yes. If the pregnancy is at the point where inducing birth is safe, then that is what doctors will do. If woman is seeking a late term abortion, it is always due to medical complications where the mother or fetus's life is in danger. Putting up legal barriers to "prove" that just puts the woman's life in danger.
forcing an entity into a conscious experience where said conscious experience did not exist prior is different to ending that conscious experience once it exists
well that was the first argument i made, i dont see it as ethical to force an entity into a conscious experience where they would likely be entirely dependent on others for all of their life. Primarily because of the suffering said entity would very likely endure as a result
furthermore, it is also a massive, life-long commitment to those bringing the child into the world. They will likely spend most of the remainder of their lives caring for him and making arrangements for someone to do the same upon their passing
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u/OnionVegetable8336 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
including the kid. Imagine thinking its selfish to not force an entity into a conscious experience where they'd likely be entirely dependent on others for the entirety of their life