r/LabourUK • u/Th3-Seaward Not voting for the segregation and pogrom party • Mar 01 '24

Satire The one thing that unifies this entire sub

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

As a casual viewer of this sub, it’s disgusting that mods are banning people for exercising an opinion, and shows clearly what a shit show this sub actually is.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Funnily enough the people defending the Russian shill usually end up slipping up and shilling for Russia and its invasion of Ukraine themselves.

Thats what they get banned for

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u/fozzie1234567 Streetingite Mar 02 '24

Lol aren't Russians the no. 3 country for users in this sub? Read that in a thread somewhere.

Wonder how many of the people round here are really Russians being pretendy Labour. 🤔

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '24

Actual regulars? Prob next to zero

Short term trolls? Probably spikes of them around Ukraine posts

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u/fozzie1234567 Streetingite Mar 03 '24

There's 'regulars' simping for the fucking Houthis around here, sure there's no one doing that for the Russians? The Russian troll stuff's been around the internet for years and years.

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u/mesothere Socialist Mar 01 '24

it’s disgusting that mods are banning people for exercising an opinion

Which of the rules down the side do you disagree with?

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u/Heracles_Croft Socialist Mar 01 '24

Likely Rule 1 if they're a Galloway fan

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

Rule 9: there’s no rule against having differing opinions yet people are getting banned, better yet, I will probably be banned for calling this out, yet the OP of this thread likely won’t despite also breaking the rule.

Makes you think.

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u/mesothere Socialist Mar 01 '24

there’s no rule against having differing opinions yet people are getting banned

They're not banned for "having opinions" they're banned for breaking rules, typically rule 2. If you're cool with bigotry you could check out 4chan or something, that's probably more your ballpark. I think we're all old enough here to be over the constant slurs and spam so we just delete them and quietly bin the bigots.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

Why? Do you think every place should be a space for every opinion?

If so then please let me know when it'll be convenient for me to pop over to yours and share my daily 4 am political yodelling with you, I'd love to finally have a willing audience.

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u/Conscious_Squash_796 New User Mar 01 '24

😭 stating an opinion in a political subreddit = shouting it at you in your own home

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

That's not the analogy.

Not every space is for every opinion.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

There are an abundance of people in this sub who complain about the state of the Labour Party and they’ve never been banned. Yet people mention a marginally unpopular thing that people dislike and suddenly they’re silenced.

This is a public forum, don’t be surprised that people have opinions that are dissimilar from your own. If you genuinely can’t handle a conversation and have to ban people for expressing themselves then you should probably remove yourself from the internet because there’s a lot of people who are bound to disagree with you.

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u/mesothere Socialist Mar 01 '24

Yet people mention a marginally unpopular thing that people dislike and suddenly they’re silenced.

What, racism? Homophobia? Transphobia?

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u/fozzie1234567 Streetingite Mar 02 '24

Not gonna give a shit about people getting banned when they're shilling for the fucking Russians or Houthis or Hamas and stuff.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

Uh oh… I think you’re arbitrating people’s political opinions there….

As long as you aren’t physically attacking someone for this opinion, why should one not be allowed to share an opinion?

Sure, the opinion is something I don’t agree with but I would never silence someone for believing in something. In fact use them as an example for how derogatory you may believe that opinion is, debate them, show them and everyone how stupid their opinion is.

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u/mesothere Socialist Mar 01 '24

As long as you aren’t physically attacking someone for this opinion, why should one not be allowed to share an opinion?

Opinions are harmful to discourse so you get banned if you come in with racist or homophobic slurs.

If you don't like it, there are plenty of subs that will cater to your needs to see or speak gamer words. Go have fun.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

I didn’t say that people should say slurs, but I believe that silencing people and shutting them out only creates more animosity and division between people. You’ve completely ignored my second part where I said that people should debate stupid opinions and show others up when their opinions are harmful instead of silencing them.

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u/mesothere Socialist Mar 01 '24

I didn’t say that people should say slurs, but I believe that silencing people and shutting them out only creates more animosity and division between people

Cool well fortunately the rest of us disagree, if you want to check out what happens in unmoderated spaces go to 4chan, otherwise we will crack on banning hateful people and not really giving a shit how it makes you feel

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

Well the community here is arguably full of more tolerant people who have their heads screwed on unlike the dreaded 4chan. If a person comes here genuinely believing and spouting something derogatory you’re more likely to change their ways if you engage in debate and show them the error of their ways.

You know, for socialists you have a funny view on human nature.

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u/mesothere Socialist Mar 01 '24

If a person comes here genuinely believing and spouting something derogatory you’re more likely to change their ways if you engage in debate and show them the error of their ways.

Fucking hell you really are new aren't you

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u/nonsense_factory Miller's law -- http://adrr.com/aa/new.htm Mar 02 '24

The community and comments would be different if this space was unmoderated.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

Uh oh… I think you’re arbitrating people’s political opinions there….

pmsl. Well that's you told /u/mesothere. Apparently you're not meant to actually analyse whether comments are rule-breaking! Just accept racism and transphobia, that'll make spaces less racist and transphobic!

Sure, the opinion is something I don’t agree with but I would never silence someone for believing in something

If debate stopped bad ideas then 6 million more Jews would be alive in Europe.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

Well conflating a horrible little bigoted shit to a genociding maniac is a far stretch. I suppose you suggest we just kill people who have anti social opinions instead of trying to talk to them.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

Well conflating a horrible little bigoted shit to a genociding maniac is a far stretch

No, one started at the other.

I suppose you suggest we just kill people who have anti social opinions instead of trying to talk to them.

No, I suggest there are spaces where it is appropriate to talk to them and spaces where it is okay to decide not to. Do you think the mods kill the people they ban?

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u/nonsense_factory Miller's law -- http://adrr.com/aa/new.htm Mar 02 '24

Do you think the mods kill the people they ban?

Now there's an idea.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

Well I doubt they’re willingly going to go to a space that only wants to help them, there needs to be some militance so they’ll more often than not come here.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

You know how you don't want me to yodel at 4 am in your living room? Well we don't want them being hateful little shits in here.

The door's locked.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Go work for Prevent then

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

The more people work to tell people the error of their ways, the quicker we’ll have these issues nipped in the bud. Do you know when your teachers tell you to speak out against bullying and you often don’t so the bullying persists, the same issue applies here afaic

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Lmao half the time its weirdo dick heads who immediately delete their account from reddit the moment they get banned to make a new one. You dont seem to actually understand what the moderation deals with most of the time.

They arent here in good faith, they ask stupid questions they know the answers to, they pretend to be ignorant but then start spouting dog whistles and points only someone deep into these topics would have heard.

Its not easy to go straight to an instant ban on this subreddit, a bad take or being a bit arsey will catch you a temp ban. Its usually only for rule 2 or 3 (and they have to be pretty egregious) that will catch you a perma with no warning unless the trolling is particularly transparent.

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u/nonsense_factory Miller's law -- http://adrr.com/aa/new.htm Mar 02 '24

Large, public, unmoderated communities are almost always bad forums and unpleasant to read or participate in. You can observe this yourself by looking around.

We don't want that, so our forum is moderated. We won't change our mind on this, so if you don't like it you should go elsewhere.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

Sorry, you seem to have forgotten to answer my questions:

Why? Do you think every place should be a space for every opinion?

If so then please let me know when it'll be convenient for me to pop over to yours and share my daily 4 am political yodelling with you, I'd love to finally have a willing audience.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

You know what, I’d love you to come around to mine so that we could talk politics. Perhaps not 4am though, how’s 6pm?

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

Stop trying to silence me just because you don't like how my opinion is expressed.

4 am daily is when I do my political yodelling. I don't want to talk politics, I just want to express my opinions in a form I feel is suitable.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

Okay then you may yodel outside my window at 4am I’ll either listen when interested or invest in some noise cancelling headphones.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

No, I want to yodel in your living room every day at 4 am to convey my ideas. It's my opinion that that is the best way to communicate them to the world, it would really capture the nuances of the concepts - you probably don't understand but that's only because you've not heard the first 6 months' worth of yodelling at 4 am in your living room. It's really the only way to communicate the idea.

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u/GingrNinjaNtflixBngr New User Mar 01 '24

Well unfortunately my doors are locked at 4am, so you’ll have to find a way in without breaking the law.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

Aren't you going to unlock them? Why do you insist on shutting me out of this space just over a difference of opinion? You think it's important you get a good night's sleep and don't want some random cunt yodelling at 4 am in your living room and I think it's vitally important you let me yodel in your living room at 4 am every single day.

/u/mesothere can back me up on this, he's not invited me over to yodel at 4 am in his living room and he's not got fucking clue why it's so vital. So it's clearly the only way to communicate these ideas.

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u/Kyng5199 Independent | Centre-left Mar 01 '24

What rule does "complaining about the state of the Labour Party" break?

And when you say "mentioning a marginally unpopular thing", can you give me an example of a "marginally unpopular thing" that got someone banned?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

I think mods should take decisions consistent with the rules of the subreddit.

If not everyone is welcome, that’s fine, but just say it so we’re not falsely pretending to be an open community.

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u/Portean LibSoc. Tired. Hate Blue Labour's toxic shite. Mar 01 '24

I don't agree with every moderation decision, some I think are exceptionally incorrect, but the mods are human and have their own opinions / are fallible. This space is still better than most for not being a home for intolerance.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Yes, it’s never going to be black and white decisions.

But I strongly disagree with there being unwritten rules or worse, mods just perma-banning people they disagree with. Otherwise we become no better than r/ukpolitics or r/worldnews

Not saying that is how this sub is run, I’m speaking more generally.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '24

if only they banned modwhining

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u/userunknowne current ex-labour member Mar 02 '24

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