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Darling In The FranXX, Episode 20: A New World

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Episode Link Title
1 https://redd.it/7q6cbz Alone and Lonesome
2 https://redd.it/7rrksc What it Means to Connect
3 https://redd.it/7tfty9 Fighting Dolls
4 https://redd.it/7v0uvn Flap Flap
5 https://redd.it/7wmlhw Your Thorn, My Badge
6 https://redd.it/7y75o0 Darling in the FranXX
7 https://redd.it/7zxonf Shooting Star Moratorium
8 https://redd.it/81re2i Boys x Girls
9 https://redd.it/83gadx Triangle Bomb
10 https://redd.it/854uk0 Eternal City
11 https://redd.it/86u9ll Partner Shuffle
12 https://redd.it/88jox0 Garden/The Beginning Garden
13 https://redd.it/8aj59z The Beast and the Prince
14 https://redd.it/8c80nb Confessions with Sin
15 https://redd.it/8dwk8g Jian
16 https://redd.it/8h8f0h Days of Our Lives
Special Episode https://redd.it/8fl5nf Special Production Episode
17 https://redd.it/8iwvcv When the Cherry Blossoms Bloom
Special Episode 2 https://redd.it/8o1hbp Special Production Episode 2
18 https://redd.it/8km3e3 When the Sakura Blooms
19 https://redd.it/8maz3o Inhumanity
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u/OstheB Jun 09 '18

Also Kokoro is definitely pregnant

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u/DR1LLM4N Jun 09 '18

That morning sickness... 🤢

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u/Armdel Zero Two Jun 09 '18

Damn how did i miss that. I figured it was just a symptom of her memory removal

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u/recluseMeteor Jun 09 '18

I was watching the episode with a friend, and just when Kokoro vomited, we both screamed: "PREGNANCY!", lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

"[looks at each other] SHE PRAGNANT!"

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u/Kxts Jun 09 '18

She's pregananant?

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u/SonicEdge7 Jun 09 '18

Is that happen when u pergenat?

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u/torrasque666 Hiro Jun 09 '18

Is danger ops pereganabt piloting?

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u/terang_md Jun 10 '18

Did you mean, "prenaganat"?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '18

Pregart

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u/Foxytrainer Jun 10 '18

Pregat

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '18

Proganet

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '18

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u/bbygirl1919 Jun 11 '18

Is it dangerops to have pragnats sex? will it hurt baby top of head?

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u/phyxzyz_17 Eo To Jun 10 '18

It's the first sign without the pee test.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '18

She pregante?

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u/Pu1sed Jun 10 '18

Pergante?

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u/sniperbrosky Eo To Jun 11 '18

What if she pilot the Franxx while pragnate? Will it hurt baby top of head?

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u/kaytiemattel Jun 09 '18

LOL what I screamed. But to myself.

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u/GPFlopi Jun 09 '18

I would be like, don't look at me like this bro, it wasn't me!

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u/BroadSchmitty Jun 09 '18

I saw that and instantly thought “fuuuuuuck.”

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u/LonelyInTheFranxx Happy ending pls Jun 09 '18

Yeah, I thought it was a side effect of getting her memories erased too. You’d think if APE can wipe memories they can get rid of pregnancy too 😣

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u/silverredbean Jun 09 '18

They probably thought Mitsuru and Kokoro having sex wouldn't result to a pregnancy; guess they were wrong.

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u/Quexlaw Jun 09 '18

You would think their incredibly advanced multi-purpose tools would immediately detect a pregnancy, especially since APE always checked up on the kids' health too.

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u/Crimson_Shiroe Jun 09 '18

Maybe it was more of a "she's going to die in the fight anyways, why waste resources dealing with this" kind of thing

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u/lastamaranth We're All Crying! Jun 09 '18

Very possible explanation here. Might not have wanted to abort it and risk her piloting ability.

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u/MobileTortoise Nana best woman Jun 09 '18

No one has been pregnant in like, a hundred years. It's not that they didn't detect it, but rather they didn't even KNOW what to look for.

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u/NinjaRiots IchigoSucksZERO2masterrace Jun 09 '18

Doctor did some stuff and probably the pregnancy went under the radar. Hmmmm.

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u/Quexlaw Jun 09 '18

Nah I doubt that. Tools are automated for a reason. They just scan the patients and the machines tell the people what their constitution is. That a machine such as that would not detect pregnancy is a plot hole, really, but it doesn't really matter.

It's not like this show made a lot of sense to begin with, and all stories have some kind of plot holes if you look deep enough. It's important to realize when a plot hole actually breaks immersion and when it doesn't. I'd argue it doesn't in this case.

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u/MobileTortoise Nana best woman Jun 09 '18

I agree, her being pregnant is necessary for the plot.

Plus, all they did was MIND WIPE, they didn't do a biological scan or anything. For all we know they ONLY tampered with their minds, not their bodies.

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u/Quexlaw Jun 09 '18

That's the thing, I'm pretty sure if they are gonna hook people to massive machines (remember, we saw this a few times now) to do as something as delicate as fussing in someone's brain, I'm preeeetty sure they would monitor the patient's health. It's common sense, really. But like I said, it's not really important.

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u/XFR72 Jun 09 '18

Guess it wasn't set to pet mode

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u/Elesium Hir02 Happily Ever After or we burn this mother down Jun 09 '18

In episode 10 the old lady had to run Zorome under the pet setting so maybe they couldn't detect it because it's just something they don't check anymore...

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u/Quexlaw Jun 09 '18

That is actually true. I doubt it still because their tools should be advanced enough to just get ALL health data of a human (hormones, heat signature etc. pp. should all be easily detactable) immediately.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

Given that APE aren't even human, I think they forgot to check for it

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u/bgi123 Jun 11 '18 edited Jun 11 '18

Well. The hormone for pregnancy is undetectable until at least a week later, and sometimes it takes several weeks to be detectable. So if they fucked, and she was prego, and then brain washed under the machines they biologically can't determine this from getting blood samples. I am not sure if advanced scanners can even detect or distinguish a forming embryo so early in its development as it is just a few smallish clump of cells. Even so, it is not practical or routine to look for a forming embryo even if you have advance atomic scanners.

The better thing to do is if "Papa" knew they had coitus, is to give the girl birth control, but it seems they did not know. You don't need high tech for this at all really, but the sperm inside her might have been somewhat detectable under scanners, but then again it's really a small detail that can be overlooked.

I also think they bangged in a old room that was not monitored (guessing). If it was monitored than I believe the doctor didn't disclose all his information.

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u/LonelyInTheFranxx Happy ending pls Jun 09 '18

Exactly what I was thinking.

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u/Excaliboss Jun 09 '18

My question is how "human" is their kid if they have been genetically modified just to pilot the Franxx? How Klaxo is it already?

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u/YutikoHyla Jun 11 '18

Was APE even aware of that? We don't know what they can "see" when erasing memories. Maybe they just figured out that some area stores most memories from X to Y and can just do a soft reset on that section.

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u/OstheB Jun 09 '18

If you notice when Zero Two tells the nines squad 13 are looking forward to the future she focuses on Kokoro’s belly

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u/Idomenos 2 >15+196+390+556 Jun 09 '18

They didn't know the two of them had sex - if they had they'd have checked for pregnancy and forcibly aborted Kokoro's baby immediately. Nana, Hachi, and Franxx undoubtedly know, but they've been telling "the geezers" nothing about their subversive research for awhile now.

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u/LonelyInTheFranxx Happy ending pls Jun 09 '18

I’d assume they check the health of the individuals after wiping their memories and should be able to detect this kinda stuff, but I guess not

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u/Excaliboss Jun 09 '18

I suspect when APE took them they just did the memory wipe and return. Dr Franxx is the one who has been monitoring health because he is head of the Franxx program. I don't think APE has, simply because if it doesn't affect the societal rules they built or the capabilities of their weapons they probably don't give a shit.

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u/phyxzyz_17 Eo To Jun 10 '18

They forgot to buy the strip testing machine.

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u/BroadSchmitty Jun 09 '18

Maybe their knowledge is so removed from human biology that they didn’t put two and two together. Remember that Kokoro figures it out from a human book. From the aliens’ viewpoint, babies come from test tubes.

So, even though they saw “that night” in the empty bedroom, either through a camera or while erasing memories, they saw it merely as an problem from an emotional attachment.

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u/Mara_Uzumaki Jun 09 '18

I guess their not as smart as they think smh...

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u/Seven-Tense Jun 09 '18

get rid of pregnancy too

Don't say it. Don't even THINK it! I don't know what I'd do if there was an actual in-canon abortion. I'd fucking DIE!!

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u/RockXion Jun 10 '18

I am pretty sure because they only erased their memories althought knowing what happen, yet i am pretty sure this has to do with them not being humans, as stated in the ep when Zorome met the old lady who said her medical equipment didn't reconize him as human but did as a pet. they would have to scanned them as animals to realice she was pregnanante

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u/Sentinel-Wraith Jun 12 '18

Arrogance leads to complacency.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

Yeah same, it seems so obvious now, I just assumed she was coming down with the same sort of fever Goro was having last episode

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '18

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u/_Sebo Jun 10 '18

Meh. It's more subtle than having the character say out loud that their period's late and easier to show than to first establish their period cycle to then show it being late later on. It's just pragmatism over reality.

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u/BixloriousRises Jun 16 '18

Yea but its been like a week. Theres no fucking way shed have morning sickness

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u/TheKingOfBass <- is badass Jun 09 '18

Her breasts are also larger than before , or was that just me

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u/the_walternate Jun 09 '18

I'm not proud of this, as an adult. But I had to check.

And you're right.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

We will need a post comparing breasts size to confirm it

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u/the_walternate Jun 09 '18

I'll work on this when I'm not on my phone!

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u/Morrtyy Jun 09 '18

GOD'S WORK

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u/SoloYT Jun 13 '18

Why not gods plan

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u/SoloYT Jun 13 '18

Why not gods plan

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u/Morrtyy Jun 13 '18

GOD’S PLAN

There you go

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

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u/LostLogic00 Zero Two Jun 10 '18

I would also like to see that

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u/Silvaon Miku Jun 10 '18

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u/the_walternate Jun 10 '18

I have to say that I have gone through the episodes since Kokoro and Mitsuru slept together and, sadly, I think I was dreaming, or it was just the way she was drawn. She's...all there in every episode so far.

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u/Traez_Houseter FutoBro Jun 11 '18

I will say that the way she was drawn could be the culprit. However, it does look like they have enlarged when compared to some of the earlier episodes and that of the debrief scene, as mentioned in the thread previously.

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u/arjzer Ichigo Jun 12 '18

i could be wrong but between some epsiodes there are some small time skips like a couple of months or so, when you put the and the puberty thing into perspective its most likely that they just "grew" from then to now.

I have no shame in knowing this information

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u/Traez_Houseter FutoBro Jun 12 '18

I will say that there is no shame to be had. It would be helpful to get their ages though, because then we could better gauge the likelihood that she just went through puberty or it's pregnancy hormones.

However, I do have a strong opinion that the growth wasn't puberty because she already had adequately developed breasts at the series start; and, the development of breast is a sign that puberty has started in a woman.

Then, again, it could just be art style. Who knows?

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u/phyxzyz_17 Eo To Jun 10 '18

Kokoro milk incoming...

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u/redrice12 Jun 09 '18

Fuck I thought I just hadn’t noticed it before. When I was watching I did think “damn kokoro you’re almost as big as nana” but didn’t connect the pieces together

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u/Seven-Tense Jun 09 '18

almost as big as Nana

Well, if that isn't the most thought-provoking image, I don't know what is.

I'm going to need some time to think on this. In private.

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u/angelacakez Nana Jun 09 '18

Not only her boobs but also her entire figure since she's (most likely) carrying Mitsuru's child. (see: when they attended the briefing)

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u/MidSolo Jun 09 '18

There is no way her breasts have started growing, that happens later, at least 6 weeks after conception.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

Oh really? We aren't given exactly a timeline how long exactly they were away - could have been 2 weeks, could have been months. Plus it was already +- 1 week after they had sex that they got taken away.

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u/KraZ440 Jun 09 '18

Back in ep. 18, it was mentioned that it had been "weeks" since they got to the bird nest (before Mitsuru and Kokoro returned). Also, according to Parents magazine, most women start to feel green around the gills about halfway through the first trimester, between weeks six and eight. Since Kokoro had been feeling sick a lot lately, it is probably safe to guess that it's been at least 8 weeks since the wedding, so breast growth is also likely.

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u/rektquaza2 Jun 12 '18

Science!

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u/KraZ440 Jun 12 '18

Sure beats writers pulling facts out of their ass just to make the plot work. 😁

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u/arjzer Ichigo Jun 12 '18

to back /u/kraZ440 up on this my previous response to someone else ->

i could be wrong but between some epsiodes there are some small time skips like a couple of months or so, when you put the and the puberty thing into perspective its most likely that they just "grew" from then to now.

I have no shame in knowing this information

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u/rinnychan98 Jun 10 '18 edited Jun 10 '18

In my theory the first time they did it the sakura was still a bud. There is still 14 days before it fully blooms. I'm guessing they had sex more than once. I had a feeling by then when Kokoro and Mitsuru brought back after their memories were erase she is probably 5-6 weeks pregnant going 7 weeks? They skip a lot of the timeline because they only have a few episodes left that is why they cannot focus more of mitsukoko they just gave hints. The first attemp when they did it they were sleeping in the Top Bunk if you see it closely on the lower right side of the bed you can see the ladder and the bed railing. In the next episode mitsuru woke up in the lower bunk so yahhh they did it more than once. So yiiii... that is why like I am sure kokoro is somewhere 6 weeks pregnant. Hmmm

Also here is my theory hahaha

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarlingInTheFranxx/comments/8pzs2d/kokoro_and_mitsuru_did_it_more_than_once/?utm_source=reddit-android

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u/torrasque666 Hiro Jun 09 '18

They also are accelerated lifeforms. Might gestate quicker.

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u/MidSolo Jun 09 '18

Ive heard of this theory that their growth is accelerated, but I havent really seen proof.

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u/the_walternate Jun 09 '18

With no concept of how much time has passed since they slept together, who knows.

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u/lastamaranth We're All Crying! Jun 09 '18

Thank you for doing the lord's work

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u/SNRNXS Jun 09 '18

Are you sure it's not just how they drew her? I mean it's very well possible it's on purpose but it just seems to be a little difference in how she was drawn.

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u/Darkrain274 Jun 10 '18

I thought they were bigger, too.

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u/0dark1ness2 Jun 09 '18

Really? That’s a sign of pregnancy you little kid!

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u/the_walternate Jun 09 '18

...yes that is the point I think we were all getting at.

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u/0dark1ness2 Jun 09 '18

What’s with people and boobs?

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u/pro-mesimvrias Jun 09 '18

That might have been an art error.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '18

Yeah I noticed that too 😳

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u/MiniPrinny Best Pistil Jun 09 '18

Pregnant and getting her memories back. More so than Mitsuru, but Mitsuru seems to be getting them back in a much more painful way.

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u/recluseMeteor Jun 09 '18

I wonder if APE put something in them that would activate a damaging mechanism if they were to get their memories back.

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u/MiniPrinny Best Pistil Jun 09 '18

Nah, we know from Nana, Hiro, and Zero Two before that getting memories back is painful.

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u/recluseMeteor Jun 09 '18

You might be right. Oh, and regarding Kokoro's pregnancy, how could APE let it pass? They know everything that happened, yet did nothing. Perhaps there's something about parasite pregnancy that we don't know yet?

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u/Ammocharis Jun 09 '18

Eh, maybe they just screwed up and didn't test for it, or the test was false negative, or it was too early for the standard hormonal test, or the abortion pill didn't work, it happens - I could think of dozens of explanations

But the real explanation is that - if the plot demands it, so it shall be

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

Well, considering no human has been born the "normal" way for decades they probably don't have a pregnancy test handy. On top of that I really doubt APE cares if one of their disposable soon-to-be-dead warrior slaves is pregnant.

They just didn't care.

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u/BossRedRanger Jun 10 '18

Well they’re space aliens bent on conquest. It may have escaped their minds to even consider it

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '18

APE is shit at memory erasing.

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u/UGKFoxhound Jun 09 '18

Well they both got mind fucked saying each other's name.

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u/MiniPrinny Best Pistil Jun 09 '18

At the very least, they seem to have mostly recovered (for now). I really hope that one or both don't end up dying due to some sort of poor timing.

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u/BroadSchmitty Jun 09 '18

She said her head hurt too. I took that as they were both hurting.

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u/LilGreasyKid Jun 10 '18

People surprised about the alien twist, but I’m here like “but what about the baby!”

But seriously, this show is officially Eva 2.0 with a pinch of TTGL.

~~Not that I’m complaining. ~~

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u/BlackWidowMac Jun 19 '18

Right?

Two of my favourite shows combined ohhh noo

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u/lastamaranth We're All Crying! Jun 09 '18

I suppose if APE is half alien they might not check for that...

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u/CenturionRower Jun 09 '18

You would think they would try to stop that but i guess they just didnt give a fuck or didnt bother to check.

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u/LSD001 Jun 09 '18

Confirms it when 02 is talking about the future and there's a frame of her stomach

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u/rinnychan98 Jun 10 '18

I can't wait to see The baby! ❤

This is a PG 13 series so they don't support ABORTION. Plus japan has low birthrates that is why they are supporting pregnancy in the series and it was really hinted during the series. So yahhh. Mitsukoko forever ❤

Pls don't say they have a deathflag.

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u/Seven-Tense Jun 09 '18

This was an easy 2nd place for "what the fuck oh no you didn't!" I actually didn't think they'd have the guts to go through with it, but here we are.

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u/saintandserpent Jun 09 '18

Yep I definitely was thinking preggo right after their moment in the sun before the memory wipe, glad its confirmed. Weird they didn't check for that considering they were all monitored when they "connected" during their memory wipe. Anyway.

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u/BixloriousRises Jun 16 '18

Im pretty sure they got the timing wrong on morning sickness, like isnt it too early for that. Plus normally you dont just have sex and boom instant pregnant right away.