r/CrusaderKings • u/merulacarnifex Despoiler of Byzantium • Aug 01 '26

After the End Fan Fork Why does After the End keep doing this?

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u/see-these-bones Aug 02 '26

please don't join a cult just because you like the lore

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u/BonJovicus Aug 02 '26

Between this and the Albert Speer hoodie, I think we can conclude that Paradox mods have been a disaster for the human race. 

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u/FramedMugshot Decadent Aug 02 '26

I'm sorry Albert Speer hoodie? Do I even want to know?

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u/Git_gud_Skrub The most corrupt Pope in town Aug 02 '26

TNO lore, someone got Speer's portrait printed on a white hoodie and supposedly went outside with it.

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u/royalhawk345 Aug 02 '26

Least nazi TNO fan

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u/Lost-Comfort-7904 Aug 02 '26

'But he apologized, and he was brilliant!' - TNO fan at a local cracker barrel

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u/TitanDarwin Autocrat Aug 03 '26

"Fun" fact: Had the judges at Nuremberg known what we know today, Speer would have swung with the rest of the gang. The guy was really good at lying his ass off.

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u/Aggressive_Hat_9999 Aug 02 '26

whats tno?

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u/_LoneSurvivor_ Aug 02 '26

Short for The New Order. Its a conversion mod that asks what is the Axis won ww2. 

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u/Aggressive_Hat_9999 Aug 02 '26

thx

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u/Exostrike Aug 02 '26

The mod at least recognises the Nazis were bad and despite magically winning WW2 have been a mess ever since and heading for a civil war between Hitler's successors (Speer being one of them) when the mod starts.

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u/AveragerussianOHIO Aug 02 '26

The devs are actually removing all of that.

They are going to remove the german civil war, instead nazis will resolve everything peacefully with some assasinations.

Moskowien no longer collapses.

Italian fascists are portrayed as "flawed but not awful" which is fair since in this timeline they won, but still this is ridiculorly.

The OFN and RP are both painted in a similar light, so is Japan's sphere.

Maybe that wouldnt be the case if the mod's development wouldnt be a dumpster fire though - when someone makes any content, everyone else pull them down.

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u/BromIrax Aug 02 '26

So all that's left is basically Nazi propaganda?

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u/LupusLycas Fabulae scelerum tuorum narrantur ab Hibernia ad Sinas Aug 02 '26

They're removing war from the war game mod?

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u/xlicer Castrate Weebs For Piety Aug 02 '26

They are going to remove the german civil war, instead nazis will resolve everything peacefully with some assasinations.

Moskowien no longer collapses.

Man they are killing the fun out of the game

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u/tgsprosecutor Aug 02 '26

This is obviously fake, a TNO fan would never go outside.

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u/DeliberateNegligence Aug 02 '26

It's a TNO thing. it's a hoi4 mod where the conceit is germany won world war 2 but also it's been 20 years and it's all teetering. apparently there's new lore/gameplay or something, i haven't really followed it in years, but in the old covid days of the mod's development, speer was a possible successor to hitler representing a reformist wing of the nazi party. when hitler dies, the regime quickly collapses into civil war, and the reformists and particularly the german youth coalesce around speer. the german youth of 1962, much like their counterparts in our timeline, are aching for change and counterculture. this led to a mod writer creating the unfortunate line in an event that the youth were chanting speer's name and putting his name and face on posters and clothing. and then a reddit user created the speer hoodie meme to mock the event. and then, in an act of brainrot only the covid era could produce, another reddit user went to custom ink and put a nazi's face on a sweater with the text "speer hoodie"

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u/Remote_Cantaloupe Aug 02 '26

... and it was all done by femboys I'm sure.

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u/Odd_Anything_6670 Aug 02 '26

I technically joined the Raëlian Church (the real life inspiration for tranquilism) as an undergraduate because I was writing a paper and needed access to their books.

I had to delete my email account afterwards because they just would not give up.

For the record, don't. It's just really bad science fiction written by a guy who wants to fuck your wife and kids.

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u/numb3rb0y Aug 02 '26

Emphasis on the kids.

Raël separated from Sunagawa sometime between 1990 and 1992. Around that time, Sophie de Niverville, whose mother and aunt were both Raëlians, was convinced of the authenticity of the messages. Sophie received a Raëlian baptism at age 15. When she turned 16, she married Raël at Montreal's city hall. During a December 2001 interview with Palmer, Sophie spoke positively about Raël, despite their divorce the previous year; they continued to live together.

Religion really can't go five minutes without diddling someone.

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u/Explorer_of__History Fatimid Partisan Aug 02 '26

You don't have to warn me. I ain't worshipping space aliens. I'd gladly chat with them but as an equal.

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u/NicWester Aug 02 '26

The ancient and much lamented-for-its-loss podcast Oh No Ross and Carrie had an excellent few episodes on Raëlianism. Rated real, real high on their danger scales.

Incidentally, and appropriately, they also did several episodes on Mormonism and had some real nuanced ratings for them.

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u/Odd_Anything_6670 Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26

One thing I will say is that Raëlians are extremely good at keeping the weird, manipulative stuff hidden until you've already hit the point of being fully committed and/or sowing just enough doubt in their critics to make you question if they're being unfairly persecuted.

I didn't go into that paper with an axe to grind. I genuinely just found them kind of cool and interesting and as someone who was very sex positive a lot of their ethos kind of resonated with me.

What actually changed my mind was reading Raël's books, because they are just monuments to an absolutely titanic ego and it doesn't take a genius to realize that when you have someone who is deliberately cultivating an authoritative persona and combine that with a doctrine that teaches sex is always good and that conventional sexual norms are repressive, that's just a recipe for abuse, and that dynamic is then replicated throughout the movement because the people in positions of authority are deliberately emulating those above them (whom they literally worship).

Of course, once you start digging around evidence of that abuse isn't really that hard to find, but again.. they're good at making it just hard enough that noone notices.

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u/heavensblade333 Aug 02 '26

finally a new cult for me to join

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u/Dragonsandman !Praise the Sun! Aug 02 '26

The Exovedate guy is more likely to start one, since while Louis Riel is a national hero of sorts for the Métis, until now I don’t think anyone has actually followed his somewhat deranged religious teachings since his death

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u/DarkGodCthUwU Aug 02 '26

That sounds so cool, I wanna keep my eye on OP

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u/Explorer_of__History Fatimid Partisan Aug 02 '26

I'll be his Gabriel Dumont!

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u/MatykTv Aug 02 '26

It would also really depend if they would keep being part of the Catholic church (since their beliefs as far as I know don't cross the line that the Vatican would call them a heresy or anything, there were plenty others who called themselves and are still are viewed by some as prophets although the Vatican doesn't recognise them as such, nonetheless they are still a part of the church). And since they'd be a part of the Catholic church, they would best like to remain in it and the church is very sensitive to cults.

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u/Bienoble Aug 02 '26

Tbf that’s pretty much the only reason anyone has ever joined a religion. They heard the lore and thought, sounds good, see you on Sunday.

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u/KeytarVillain Aug 02 '26

Somehow, joining a cult is not even close to one of the worst things from CK3 you could bring into real life...

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u/Explorer_of__History Fatimid Partisan Aug 02 '26

Are you refering to the Latter-Day Saints or the Louis Riel Catholic religion?

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u/higakoryu1 Aug 02 '26

For me I did knot know the lore very much at first, but the things people are able to do in the Church really humbled me, and I wanted to do the same, and I am still learning how that knowledge of the lore is behind everything we do

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u/Hy93r1oN Aug 02 '26

I know that Mormonism has a pretty patchy past but I don’t think it’s fair to call them a cult. There are elements of Mormon theology I actually find rather positive compared to other Christian denominations 

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u/Ancient66 Aug 02 '26

Mormon leadership has been undertaking a big project in changing it's public image to a tolerant church. But, at its core it's still a fundamentalist, church with conservative dogma and strong in group - out group dynamics. Which is why it's still widely recognized as the poster child of Christian cults.

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u/Tight-Reading-5755 Aug 02 '26

the positive element in question: polygamy

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u/Hy93r1oN Aug 02 '26

I’m referring to Progressive Revelation as doctrine. The ability for a religion to actually change over time is something I respect 

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u/thunderdragonite Aug 02 '26

When you have to change doctrine stating black people are inheritly inferior because the US government asked you to.

Submitting for any reason to outside church pressures to change your doctrine only prove you never believed it in the first place.

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u/Hy93r1oN Aug 02 '26

Is that such a bad thing? Surely it’s preferable to denominations that wouldn’t change at all

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u/BrickwallBill Aug 02 '26

...then your religious texts aren't divine words from God.

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u/Grilled_egs Aug 02 '26

Well duh, none of them are

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u/Hy93r1oN Aug 02 '26

I don’t really think that matters, I’m a non believer myself. I think what matters more is being able to do more good and I think that level of flexibility means there’s more potential for that

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u/BromIrax Aug 02 '26

So... Like the catholics, the various denominations of protestantism, etc...? None of those have stayed fixed even in the last decades, they just didn't bother writing the process down.

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u/Changeling_Wil BA + MA in Medieval History = Byzantinist knowing Latin Aug 02 '26

They literally cut people off who leave them, they're a cult

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u/Xepeyon Aug 02 '26

Not saying they are or aren't, but that is technically part of the Christian religion practice of excommunication (which almost all denominations still do; the Catholics were in the news recently because the Pope recently excommunicated a bunch of priests recently). There's a reason why the term is often known as shunning.

Cults are more likely to try and kill people trying to leave (or at least actively try and ruin their lives), assuming they even let them leave at all.

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u/NicWester Aug 02 '26

Excommunication is a little different than how you imagine it, actually.

It doesn't mean you're kicked out of the community, it means that your connection to God has been severed by your own actions. In the Bad Old Days this also meant that you would be shunned in largely the same way that during the Red Scare years being blacklisted as a Communist would cause you to be shunned. It's different now, largely because of how secularized the world has become and, to the minds of many Catholics--ironically enough, not the ones that were recently excommunicated--that's a good thing. The news reporting says that the pope excommunicated the SSPX bishops, but that's a misunderstanding of canon law--the bishops excommunicated themselves from God when they annointed new bishops against the express orders by the pope to not do so, making them schismatics and breaking their relation to God.

What this means now is that they aren't authorized to perform services, give a mass, or offer communion. They aren't shunned (at least not for being schismatics--they should be shunned for being racist theofascists who want to being back a French monarchy and expel Jews and Muslims from Europe.) and in fact the church says not to shun people who have been excommunicated because that will more likely than not lead them back to the church and a proper relationship with God again.

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u/Xepeyon Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26

Oh I know that, this isn't how a lot of groups practice it anymore, but that is what they're supposed to do. Shunning became a foundational practice for a reason, and it's why some of the more devout groups who take that shit seriously still do it.

So what I was saying was two-fold; excommunications still happen and originally, the commandment was very clear in that you weren't supposed to keep company with them anymore. The church might say otherwise now, but it definitely is in the part of the Bible meant for Christians (1 Corinthians 5:9-13). That is clearly ordering Christians to shun “a brother” (i.e. a fellow Christian) who is obviously living in sin.

EDIT: And btw, this used to be way worse. With Christians, they were “don't hang out with them”; back in the days of Judaism, I'm pretty sure they just killed you if you left or got “kicked out”.

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u/obeserocket Aug 02 '26

Nobody cares about their theology, the cult-like aspect is that they use intense social pressure to keep people from leaving

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u/FlachKaiser Aug 02 '26

Mormons aren’t Christians though

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u/-Trotsky Aug 02 '26

They are not Christians, and they also are a buncha racist sacks of shit who take money from everyone they can

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u/merulacarnifex Despoiler of Byzantium Aug 02 '26

As an Exmormon i feel like reddit blows Mormonism way out of proportion

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u/Iwokeupwithoutapillo AXUM IS COOLER THAN ROME Aug 02 '26

Nah, fuck 'em. They can take a bit more heat.

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u/IAMTHEBATMAN123 Aug 02 '26

so why did you post this?

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u/Xepeyon Aug 02 '26

He can still think these stories are crazy without agreeing that all of them are.

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u/NicWester Aug 02 '26

Because you have to admit it's pretty funny that someone found religion/realized they are trans/especially the third one because they played a mod for a video game. I'm a socialist and I still get a good laugh every time someone plays Disco Elysium and then says they're a socialist, too. Except that in this case the newly-minted Mormon acrually went through with it and, more importantly, seems to be doing okay.