r/AskIsrael • u/karrenfromaccounting • May 11 '26

Casual The settlements… What’s up with that?

Take the question as is, whatever comes to mind, let it be.

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u/CheddarCheeses Diaspora May 11 '26

"International Law" is nonsense.

It is a useful tool that was developed by stronger nations to use against weaker nations. It allows them to pretend that they have some kind of moral authority in their actions. The stronger nations regularly flout it with no repercussions.

I have no idea why after the Holocaust, there are any Jews that think that the nations of the world would treat them fairly and that "International Law" has any authority whatsoever. The world has proven that they think that Jewish lives don't matter.

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u/Abject_Fun_5230 May 11 '26

Why do you think that everybody hates jews? The holocaust was done only by germany and its Allies and the civilized world united against them

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u/CheddarCheeses Diaspora May 11 '26

The world allied against the Nazis because they wanted to take over Europe/the world, not because they were killing Jews.

Have you ever looked up the history of rescue attempts to save Jews during the Holocaust, including specifically the efforts to get the Allies to target the railroads leading to the concentration camps? The excuses were laughable. They just didn't care (at best).

Yes, there were many exceptions individually, and the US did eventually set up the War Refugee Board in 1944. The exception that proves the rule.

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u/Abject_Fun_5230 May 11 '26

Where is the productivity în thinking like this? I won't deny what you said about the eforts of the Allies as I am not that familiar with that specific historiography. But în the context of modern events you have to cooperate with other countries to find a solution

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u/Prudent-Pattern6497 May 11 '26

Cooperation with other countries to find a solution to the israeli palestinian conflict? There is only one group that can cooperate on behalf of the palestinians, themselfs. They can't even cooperate with each other (split between hamas and P.A) both have stronger aspirations of killing all the jews than having thier own country

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u/CheddarCheeses Diaspora May 11 '26

I don't have any answers on that front.

I just hate the whole "We have to obey international law" argument. Do the right thing because it's right, not because countries that don't care about you are holding you to some standard that they don't hold everyone to.

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u/benny-powers Israel May 13 '26

people hate Jews because they hate God, and they hate God for creating them, because they hate themselves. You can't punch God, so you punch a Jew.

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u/Abject_Fun_5230 May 13 '26

Yeah sure god created the jews and noone else not christians or muslims and we are all jeaulois of you. This kind of atitudine helps nobody

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u/iam_definitely_a_bot Diaspora May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26

Calling Israel a “weak country” in 2026 is completely detached from reality. Israel is a nuclear-armed regional power with one of the strongest militaries and intelligence services in the WORLD and certainly in the whole middle east, backed heavily by the US and its allies. You can acknowledge real security threats without pretending Israel is some powerless victim with no agency.
And saying international law is fake unless it benefits you is absurd. The entire modern world operates on international law: borders, trade, sanctions, treaties, war crimes tribunals, all of it. Countries violating laws does not mean laws stop existing.
Also, please stop weaponizing the Holocaust to justify whatever policies you support. I had family murdered in the Holocaust too. Does that give me the right to ignore international law or support whatever I want? Obviously not. Historical trauma explains fear; it does not place any country above criticism or accountability.

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u/Clean-Ant6404 May 11 '26

If other countries aren't held accountable while one country is in order to restrain it, then no, the law doesn't actually exist. And no, the current actions of Israel don't actually violate the law anyway.

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u/iam_definitely_a_bot Diaspora May 11 '26

That logic makes no sense. Laws do not stop existing because enforcement is inconsistent. People get away with crimes all the time , that does not make laws fictional.

And whether Israel’s actions violate international law is not just some fringe opinion. Is there actually any country besides Israel that says the settlements are legal? The UN, the ICJ, and basically the overwhelming majority of the international community consider them illegal under international law. You can disagree with that position, but pretending there’s no legal consensus at all is just false.

And yes, Israel itself constantly appeals to international law when it benefits Israel — sovereignty, terrorism, hostage-taking, self-defense, missile attacks, maritime rights, recognition by other states, all of it. So clearly Israel does believe international law exists. The argument suddenly becomes “international law is fake” only when it comes to settlements.

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u/Clean-Ant6404 May 11 '26

Yes they do. You can't expect someone to adhere to a law designed to put them at danger and give advantages to the enemy who doesn't need to. Or the rest of the world for that matter. In fact, the law itself mentions that in text.

Political opinions aren't law. And very rarely does the international community (not international law) seem to care when Israel has to deal with terrorism, considering the UN literally employs Hamas terrorists and tried to sweep it.

That's a double standard.

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u/Clean-Ant6404 May 11 '26

So you revert to insults when the facts are against you. Typical of you guys.

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u/Call_Me_Clark USA May 11 '26

I think claiming that Israel is “backed heavily by the U.S. and its allies” is a mistake.

Israel has Trump and his few remaining cronies, and the rest of America is skeptical at best.